It is the news we have all been waiting for and for some, it has caused a bit of unexpected controversy, but as they say “you cannot keep a good thing down”
Star Trek Continues has always shown to be the pinnacle of fan films not only of its productions values but in its way that it conducts its self with its fans and the powers at CBS.
The only downside! of this good news is, instead of 13 episodes as previously planned Continues will now wrap after its 11th episode.
Last year in preparation for the last of their planned episodes STC ran what would become their last ever crowd funding campaign to enable them to fund their last remaining episodes although it fell short of its planned goals on Indiegogo it managed to gain enough money from private donations to secure the amount needed to ensure their plans could carry on. With enough funds to ensure they could meet its planned 11 episode run the cast and crew of Continues went radio silent in regards to what its next steps were, this obviously caused some contention among its donors and fans alike.
Nevertheless, these steps were taken by STC to keep their heads down due to the Axanar lawsuit and the mess that had caused but whatever they planned to do next it would require careful planning but most importantly it had to honour its commitments to their donors. it was not until three days ago that that silence was finally broken with this announcement.
The announcement you’ve all been waiting for! At the beginning of 2016, STAR TREK CONTINUES ran a successful fundraising campaign to produce the final episodes of our fan series. As promised, we’ve spent your hard-earned donations to our non-profit production company exactly as we said we would, and have been working around-the-clock to finish our final four episodes as quickly as possible.
Episodes 9, 10, and 11 are still in post-production and will be released throughout the year as they are completed. Episode 8 — “Still Treads the Shadow” — guest-stars Rekha Sharma (“Battlestar Galactica”) and will premiere at Fan Expo Dallas on Saturday, April 1!
We have even more amazing guest stars in these last episodes, culminating in a thrilling series finale by acclaimed science-fiction author Robert J. Sawyer.
We want to thank each of you for your patience while we’ve been busy, and also for your support and encouragement throughout our run. It is our sincere pleasure to be bringing a conclusion to our beloved original series of “Star Trek” at long last. LLAP
Now to me and a lot! Of others, this is not only AMAZING news but certainly news that honestly we all thought would never come.
Even though there has been joy and a lot of celebration among the fans of STC lot of comments on social media seem to be asking the same thing, how can Star Trek Continues, continue?
Well we all know that in June 2016 CBS issued a set of “fan film guidelines” that many feared would spell the end of shows like Continues, and possibly mean that even they could not carry on, it is extremely important to remember these are guidelines, not rules and although for them to continue they would be in essence breaking them what you have to remember is every production regardless of compliance will be judged on a case by case basis so just because you comply with them does not automatically make your safe.
So with the news, STC will drop Episodes 8 – 11 do they have anything to worry about?
Honestly, I do not know, and I do not think even they know for sure, however, the realist in me thinks not STC have always had the utmost respect for CBS and their property and after numerous discussions with members of the cast and crew this viewpoint has not changed and never wavered at all, everyone at STC have always been above reproach in their dealings with CBS and although I cannot speak for the directly I know them well enough to know if CBS asks them to do something they will.
Friday, March 3, 2017
Frequently Asked Questions and Answers about remaining episodes of STAR TREK CONTINUES
How are you getting around the guidelines for fan films?
As CBS/Paramount has made clear, the guidelines are not laws; they are general parameters applied on a case-by-case basis. Since the implementation of the guidelines, we have stopped all crowdfunding activities and have focused strictly on completing the four episodes which had already been funded as of that time by fans’ donations to our 501(c)(3) non-profit. STAR TREK CONTINUES has always followed any and all instructions given to us by CBS regarding our production and will continue to do so.
Does STAR TREK CONTINUES have any type of special and/or official arrangement with CBS/Paramount?
Weren’t you going to make 13 episodes? Did CBS make you stop?
CBS is not responsible for the decision to end the series. We are doing 11 episodes instead of 13 because another fan group took advantage of the good graces of the copyright holders forcing them to protect their property and the interests of their license holders. In deference and gratitude to CBS, we are wrapping up earlier than planned. We always have stood, and continue to stand, with CBS.
Can we get DVDs/Blu-ray discs of the final episodes?
As we do not own STAR TREK, we cannot sell DVDs or Blu-ray discs. In the past, we’ve made a limited number of discs available as crowdfunding perks. However, since we are no longer crowdfunding, providing episodes to the public on DVD and/or Blu-ray discs is not currently feasible for us.
What will happen to the studio/sets? Will set visits/tours be available?
We don’t have a definitive answer on this right now, but we’re considering all our options.
So if you heading to the Fan Expo Dallas on Saturday, April 1! Then be sure to beat the rush to what will be the best seats in town and check out Episode 8: “Still Treads the Shadow”
James) I have a few more get to know who we are questions then we will move on to the parts that ask in more detail what is Trek Geeks and why we decided to do it.
Other than Trek what other TV shows you watch like B5, Walking Dead, the Flash etc
Bill) A wide variety of things from Reality to Drama. FAR too many to list. LOL
Dan) Arrow (current favourite), The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, The Strain, Big Bang Theory, Penny Dreadful, Bosch.
Previous shows that are on my top list include Lost, Breaking Bad, Stranger Things,
James) Ok so a long list then most of that I watch myself.
Do either of you play any Star Trek games?
Bill) I have just started playing STO on a console. I also play Star Trek Timelines intermittently.
Dan) I love Star Trek Timelines from Disruptor Beam and think it is the first real Star Trek video game hit. I have also played Star Trek Online on my PC and have just started playing it on Xbox 1 and enjoy it, but do not have the time I would like to sit and play something at my desk on my couch for hours at a time.
James) What Trek Actors have you met in real life?
Bill) I have met far too many to remember. While there was not a “worst,” all of them have been amazingly wonderful–and, in particular, William Shatner.
He has a bad reputation over the years, but he could not have been nicer when I met him at a convention one year.
Dan) Some may say this is not valid, to which I would say they are 100% wrong) we have had the honour of being with the cast of Star Trek Continues while they have been filming an episode.
They are without a doubt the most down to earth and appreciate the group of actors whose love for Star Trek is the only thing driving them to make these episodes. Vic Mignogna and Michele Specht are two Star Trek actors that I have an immeasurable amount of respect for.
James) The guys of STC although I have not met them in person due to residing in the UK are some of the nicest people I have ever chatted with. They also have no issues with being asked questions about STC, Lisa, for example, has been so open about some things even I am shocked at how the people who I have never met interact with me they are so down to earth.
Dan) Additionally, we recently did a podcast regarding the Voyager episode Timeless. This episode holds great personal meaning for me because it reminds me of the difficult times I once had to go through and the demons that I carried for years. Garrett Wang heard the podcast and commented on it personally on Twitter, and in Vegas this past year we went up to him and introduced ourselves. He was so gracious to us regarding the show and our thoughts on it, and it was a moment I will never forget.
I have never come across meeting a Trek actor that I would consider the ‘worst’. All the ones I have met understand how important this show is to us and they always seem happy and appreciate of their fans.
James) SO… guys I now want to move on to get some insight on Trek Geeks.
Before Trek geeks what was your history doing podcasts, is Trek geeks the only one you have done or have you done more?
Bill) I had a very short-lived podcast focusing on American politics, which ran for four episodes. I was not the primary host but it introduced me to the medium and got me thinking. That was a couple of years before Trek geeks, but I had the idea to do a Star Trek based podcast that early on.
James) So Trek geeks was your second one of sorts then Bill what about you Dan?
Dan) Before Trek Geeks I had ever been part of a podcast, listened to a podcast, or had any real idea of what a podcast actually was
James) Bill you mentioned you had the idea for a Trek podcast but why Trek and not random Sci-Fi?
Bill) Because I am passionate about Trek and I am really not about sci-fi in general. In addition, our show is a reflection of our friendship and that is absolutely born out of Star Trek fandom.
James) Cool idea and it allows your friendship to play an important role in what you do. What about you Dan what made you choose Trek?
Dan) Trek is my life in many ways. It is my passion; it is what makes me hope for a better future. I have watched each episode so many times. I have read so many Trek novels. It is built into my DNA on so many levels so it is not even a question of Trek vs. something else. As Bill is also a passionate fan of Trek, our friendship began because of it and has continued for two decades. The podcast just uses Trek as the topic to enjoy and broadcast our friendship to our listeners.
James) Why Audio Podcast, not a Video 1?
Bill) Because that is largely not how people consume podcasts. 80% of all podcasts are downloaded to mobile devices and usually consumed while people are doing something else like driving or working out and the like.
Most people do not sit down to consume video podcasts, so we do not really work in that medium. Besides, have you seen Dan?
Dan) I am very ugly and Bill could knock a buzzard off a s**t waggon! As Stan Lee would say…’Nuff said.
James) Tell me when did you start Trek geeks?
Bill) January 2015. I knew this show could always work, but it took some convincing with Dan.
Dan) As Bill mentioned we started in January of 2015, but it is something he pitched to me earlier in 2014 after we attended a Creation Star Trek convention in Boston in the summer of 2014. As previously, mentioned, I had no idea what podcasts were all about and I was a little ‘meh’ on the idea. However, after researching and discussing it more, we decided to give it a try.
James) Do you Podcast live?
Bill) No. Thank the Maker. Lol
James) I would imagine the ones that do would require major planning to avoid anything majorly wrong, so what about editing it.
Bill) I typically record the podcast and edit it. We have streamlined our workflow a lot so it is not a very cumbersome process at all. I can usually get an episode out within a couple of hours.
Dan) Bill is smart. He makes things go.
James) Living is separate towns/cities does it make things difficult to podcast together?
Bill) I do not think so. I mean, there is always a certain energy and vibe you get when you have two people in the same room, but I think we do pretty well give that we are in different states.
Dan) I actually think it helps with the podcast being in different locations. I mean, if I were in the same location as Bill when we recorded, there would be too many times that I would just have to punch his face.
James) That is hilarious! Sorry but I seriously laughed at that.
Dan) Seriously, the only real challenge is if there are internet or network issues causing problems with the recording, but we have gotten pretty good at making sure we have ways to prevent that from happening.
James) When you decided on Trek Geeks. Did it cost a lot to set up?
Bill) No, not really. We tried to use as many free options as possible with the exception of website hosting and podcast hosting.
Dan) Just my time to try to listen to Bill state an opinion, that actually means anything. Seriously, I have to give all the credit in the world to Bill. He pretty much did all of the setups for this venture and he has done an amazing job keeping costs VERY low.
James) Bit like me than with this, I could have spent a lot of money, but I thought Do I want to spend a lot on something that people might think to err WTF is this.
With the costs being low, how do you fund things? By yourself or ask for donations now and again?
Bill) We self-fund largely. It is not a huge cost every year and we are happy to fund it. There is a small amount offset by our CafePress store–we make a couple of bucks per item and that goes right back into hosting costs. We do not make a tonne of money from that, nor did we really intend to.
James) Goes to check out the store . . . ok, cool T-Shirts, Mugs and err Thongs lol….
Bill) Hey, CafePress makes it available
Dan) We do not want people to help us fund the show. We only want them to listen and enjoy the conversation. We fund the podcast ourselves and as mentioned previously, it is not very expensive.
We do have a store on our website that offers Trek Geeks items from Cafepress and each sale we get a little something which goes right back into helping pay for the show.
Bill) CafePress and CBS have an agreement for what is called fan portals. All of the merchandise has to meet the rules and CafePress gives CBS their cut, presumably. In addition, ANY fan can set up a shop if they play by the rules.
If you want to grab a Trek geek gift or two here is the link to their shop.:Trek geeks Shop
James) I would like to get some more info on Trek geeks and its history, how many episodes of Trek Geeks have you done?
Bill) Counting Supplemental episodes and special one-off recordings, we have done 89 episodes to date.
James) How hard is it to come up with each podcasts topic does it require a lot of planning.
Bill) It does require planning. We outline every episode to keep us on track. If it is an interview, we jot down a few topics. If it is an episode review, we have notes on the episode in question.
Dan) Although we have to plan, what we will discuss for any specific episode, coming up with topics is not hard at all. We have 50 years worth of Star Trek to work with and thousands of possible topics for any given show.
We have worked on a schedule for episodes and have some really unique topics. Once we start working on a specific episode, we keep our own list of thoughts and comments to bring up on the show itself and it always works out rather fluidly. A lot of the time, we do not share our thoughts and comments with each other ahead of time. We do not want to skew or change our opinions based on what the other is thinking.
James) So who out of the two of you decides the topics?
Bill) I think I pick most of the topics, but there have been plenty of times that Dan has picked them. We try to schedule out the topics of every episode a few months in advance to know what is coming.
Dan) I would say that for the most part Bill decides on episode topics and he then shoots them over to me to look over. Almost usually, we are on the same page with what we would like to talk about. For interviews, that has usually fallen on me to try to get in touch with someone and schedule it out.
James) Has there ever been a time you just randomly pick a topic who wins more often and does it ever cause tension if one does not want to cover said topic?
Bill) We do not really have tension, per se. I think there have been a couple of rare occasions where we have disagreed, but it has really been a non-event. Dan will probably say “Bill is the Executive Producer” or some tripe like that, but the topics we cover are ones that interest us regardless of who selected it.
Dan) The good thing about Star Trek is IDIC. Whatever ridiculous topics Bill thinks are awesome; I can work with so that he does not throw a tantrum of any kind.
Dan) The Podcast is for our listeners so I always try and be cognizant of that so they get the very best from us. Besides, Bill is the Executive Producer. What he says goes.
James) I am going to throw some random Questions now, stuff that springs to mind about past podcasts and your experiences.
Best place you have done a podcast from?
Bill) Star Trek Las Vegas. 😀
Dan) At my house without having to use the camera to see Bill’s face. 😛 Kidding of course…
Podcasting from Vegas was an amazing experience, and doing a couple of Facebook Live segments was VERY cool
James) Worst place you have done a podcast from?
Bill) I do not think there has been a “worst place” so far.
Dan) My house and Vegas is really the only place I have podcasted from, so I do not have the worst place.
It’s emotional) you’ll laugh, you’ll cry, you’ll smile–and you’ll appreciate Gene Roddenberry and what he created even more than you did before.
It was a true labour of love on our part. It is an hour’s worth of stories told by fans that called in or sent us messages and it brings tears to my eyes every time I hear it.
James) I am so going to have to listen to that it sounds like one NOT to miss.
Dan) From a Podcast perspective, I would have to agree with Bill and choose our Trek50 episode. To hear the stories from our listeners – their very PERSONAL stories was absolutely amazing. It proved without a doubt how special Star Trek is and how it has formed relationships and brought people closer, and for people to take the time and share these deeply personal stories with us was incredibly humbling
From a Fan perspective, I would have to say the guest appearance of Andrew Robinson was incredible. He is such an amazing actor outside of Star Trek and his character of Garak is one of my all time favourites so to have him on the show to discuss everything from Hellraiser to Dirty Harry to Garak was truly a fan girl moment for me.
James) Worst episode you have done & why?
Bill) Episode 1. LOL, We had no idea what we were doing and at that point, we did not know is our first one at that point and I even forget to introduce myself even though I introduce Dan by name.
James) This is my first endeavour asking people questions like this I have done blogs but not ones asking targeted questions so I get that pain I really do. Was it that same for you Dan or do you have a different OMG podcast?
Dan) At first I would also say Episode 1, but thinking more about it I would say the interviews with Alec Peters.
The debacle of Axanar and the subsequent lawsuit has opened my eyes to what I perceive to be a complete fabrication of facts and information to the fans. In hindsight, it was an embarrassment to have him on the show because the potential damage that production has done to fan films is irreversible.
James) As Everyone! Knows I am no fan of Axanar and for you people, who do not, I share the views of Dan but hey, you live and learn…
However, Dan you but you cannot blame yourself for what you did not know at the time, so do not be embarrassed lol, hey it could have been worse. So bringing up Axanar, I guess we should tackle that subject then move on to something less errrr……
Now I saw you both started out as pro-Axanar and even had Alec on your show and helped drive his crowd funding. What happened?
Bill) Well, that is the $1.1million question, is it not?
James) $1.5 Mil lol
Bill) It is true) we did have Alec Peters on our show twice.
The first time we invited him and he eventually did show after he blew us off the first time it was scheduled.
The second time he asked if he could come on to promote his crowd funding, effort and we rearranged our schedule to accommodate that request. Alec was great to us…until after the lawsuit dropped and we started asking questions as donors. After that, we went from hearing, “We love the Trek Geeks,” to “you’re a Drama Queen” and “low-end podcasters.”
James) Oh the Drama Queen thingy I remember that (shakes head)
Bill) At that point, I began to wonder exactly where $1,500,000 went since there was no finished studio, no sets completed, and no film. When I started to ask about that, Axanar blocked me on social media.
I was a 2x donor and I feel like I was taken advantage of by a never-ending series of delays and lies.
James) What you think about it all Dan do you share Bills concern or?
Dan) Prior to the lawsuit, I was 100% pro Axanar. I was very impressed with Prelude, even if it was pretty much all green screen. Several people, I love to see in sci-fi were involved, like JG Hertzler and Richard Hatch. We had Richard on the show in one of our early episodes, and we had Alec on twice – one of which also featured the director/non-director of Axanar Robert Meyer Burnett.
James) Have to admit I have lost count how many times he is then is not anyway…
Dan) During the Alec interviews both Bill and I noticed that everything was I, I, I while with other fan productions, it was never about a single individual. That showed some of the character flaws we started to question. Then the lawsuit dropped and Bill, who as a donor had every right to ask, had some tough questions about the production and where the money had gone.
Instead of getting answers, he was banned from Axanar social media pages – not once but TWICE. People at Axanar started dropping to the level of name-calling by referring to Bill as a “Drama Queen” and a “low-end podcaster” when he started posting questions on Twitter. It was at that time that I had had enough as well. One of the things that I have found so deplorable with Mr Peters and Axanar is the fact that they stoop to name calling, insults and banning from pages instead of answering the questions that fans and donors deserve.
I totally get that some people can be ruthless when posting on social media, but I believe it is their responsibility to be truthful and open about the money that we gave them, and I do not believe that has been the case.
James) Well If all goes well we should have an end or a hopeful end to this entire thing soon, I for one am sick of the drama but I understand exactly where you guys are coming from and share similar experiences but hey hooo.
So moving on and away from this subject as well, everywhere you go its Axanar this Axanar that and this interview is about you guys.
Therefore, what is the Best interview you have done and with who?
Bill) We have gotten a lot better at interviewing since we started, but I still think our conversation with Nana Visitor from Deep Space Nine is probably our best interview, even though it happened very early in the run of the show. With our interviews, we try very hard to not ask the standard questions you hear at Star Trek conventions, and I think that our guests appreciate that.
In this one, Nana is candid and engaging and you can hear her smile when he speaks. She was so easy to talk to that she made this the best one we have done in my opinion.
James)((( dreams about doing an interview like that One day James One Day LOL )))
Dan) Andrew Robinson was to me the best interview we have done. It was really great to sit and listen to these stories from such an accomplished actor about a wide variety of topics. Hearing about how he had to handle being the first real serial killer to be in a movie (in Dirty Harry) and how that literally “f***’d me up” for a little while was very moving.
Getting little bits of info about his personal development of Garak and that he envisioned him being bisexual was intriguing, as was his thoughts for his novel “A Stitch in Time”. To me, Mr Robinson is a legend of movies and television and to have him so willingly come on the show and talk with us was a moment I will never forget.
James) Have there ever been any cringe-worthy moments where you have cringed at what has been said or a response you have been given?
Dan) As far as cringe moments, having him drop the f-bomb was the first time that had happened for us in a podcast so I wasn’t sure how to handle it, but it all worked out well, and it was perfectly placed. Back in those days’ people had never seen a psycho like Scorpio and as an actor; he had to look in very deep places to make that character worked. Pure genius!
James) What was the worst Interview you have done, What made it so bad and where there any good moments of it even though it was bad?
Bill) I will not give the guest’s name, but it was a total struggle to work with them in the recording. They would tell entire stories that they would ask us to cut out after they got through the whole thing. Lots of editing and they even wanted final approval on the album cover on the episode. There were good moments, but overall it is an episode I do not even like to listen to now.
James) OK I so need to listen to your entire back Cat to try to work this out.
Dan) Oh, I 100% agree with Bill. I loved having that guest on, but it was definitely one of those ‘Oh my God you are so in love with yourself” moments.
James) I ask this question a lot to people as it is hard to gauge how people feel as the ones who are not so angry and calling boycotts etc rarely speak about it. Nevertheless, I think it is a very important thing to ask all productions since in essence they may or may not affect all of us at one point or another.
When the Guidelines hit were you worried at all about, them affecting you guys as many people not just fan films and series panicked that it was all very much doom for all.
Bill) I was worried that we would be affected somehow at first, but that did not last long. As soon as CBS clarified them, I had no worries, primarily since we talk about Star Trek–and that type of speech is protected by the First Amendment in the States.
Dan) I was never worried that it would affect our Podcast at all. I have always believed that the guidelines were set up so CBS and Paramount could protect THEIR property after one group decided to poke the bear and ignore the unwritten rule to not earn money off it.
Bill) and I agree 100% that CBS and Paramount are not at fault in any way with releasing these guidelines and will always be thankful that they let ANYONE ‘play in their sandbox’. While I have no concerns whatsoever regarding Trek Geeks, if for any reason we were ever told it was a problem, I would thank them for the opportunity and that would be the end of it. However, I do not ever see that happening.
James) Do you think we will see more or fewer Fan Productions because of them?
Bill) I think there will be fewer fan films at first–but I think that is because some individuals who were planning to do their own series or full-length feature no longer can. Eventually, I think that creative people will tell good stories through the guidelines.
James) while we are on the subject of Fan Films and Productions, What Fan Films do you watch?
Bill) Star Trek Continues is, hands down, the best Star Trek fan film ever made in every aspect. There are some others that are OK, but Continues stands head and shoulders above them.
Dan) Star Trek Continues is without a doubt the best fan production in existence and I don’t think anything will ever be able to top it. It is literally like watching the continuation of TOS.
Every detail is perfect. Every episode is just awesome. The cast and crew leave their egos at the door (if they have any) and create a product that comes from their deep love of Star Trek. I also have great admiration for what Tommy Kraft did with his fan movie Star Trek Horizon starring Paul Lang. It was a remarkable film! I have watched a couple episodes of New Voyages and it is not bad, but it is not awesome either. My problem is that I will always compare any fan production to STC so they are already at a HUGE disadvantage.
James) What about the ones you would class as the worst or ones that just do not cut it in your opinion.
Bill) The worst ones? Renegades and Prelude to Axanar it is not a fan film. It is a fundraising video it is a big difference.
Dan) As far as the worst, as much as I wanted to like the first episode of Renegades, it was just awful to watch. The sets and costumes were terrible and they seemed to be more concerned with the cast of the show rather than the story.
Other than Manu Intiraymi and Vic Mignogna, I was not impressed at all with anything about Renegades and probably will not even bother with subsequent episodes now that they have stripped Star Trek from the brand due to the Axanar lawsuit.
James) I liked Renegades even if things were not shown spec lol.
Being a part of such a vast community have you worked with many other productions?
Bill) We have had both John Champion and Ken Ray from Mission Log on our show, as well as Jeff Hull and Heather Barker from The Tricorder Transmissions. I have also been a guest on several other podcasts like Frack Stars, Synthaholics, and The Admiral’s Table
Dan) As Bill said, John Champion and Ken Ray from Mission Log have both been on our show. Additionally, Heather Barker and Jeff Hulit from Shoreleave have joined us on different occasions. I have been a guest on Shore Leave and have plans to be on Synthabholics at some point in the near future.
James) Not forgetting you were a part of the 24Hrs of G&T just this past week, do you listen to any other podcasts other than your own?
Bill) (regularly) Mission Log, The Tricorder Transmissions, The G&T Show, Two Guys One Trek, The Feed from Libsyn, Women at Warp…and a bunch of others infrequently.
Dan) Bill tries to make people believe that I don’t listen to my own podcast but he would be very wrong. In addition to TG, I listen to Mission Log, G&T and Shore Leave mostly.
James) Being that you guys are so intertwined in the fandom what are your Favourite parts of the Trek Fandom and do you have any aspects you deem the worst Parts of the Trek Fandom.
Bill) I have the same answer for both parts) Social Media. It has been an amazing way to get to know people online and spread the word about our show. However, there are a lot of self-appointed “gatekeepers” in fandom and social media seems to give them their voice. The good parts far outweigh the bad parts, though.
Dan) I think one of my favourite parts of Fandom is Cosplay. Seeing people create these amazing costumes to show their love of the franchise is something I am always amazed by. The dedication into making these costumes is something that I appreciate so very much.
I think the worst part of fandom is social media. I think some of the things that actual fans post on social media is deplorable and makes me wonder why they even watch Star Trek. How people treat the Kelvin timeline movies is a perfect example of this. In addition, when the first trailer for Beyond was released; people were just atrocious with their posts, same with the announcement of Star Trek Discovery.
It is amazing that we can love something so much, yet as soon as any information is released, the worst things can be said. It makes me sad that there are those out there who consider themselves fans can be so hateful and disgusting with comments made for the whole world to see.
James) I have to admit I was a very strong ANTI Kelvin timeline person but having seen Beyond I have been swayed that film although was not the best ever it is now in my top 5, It had the feels which the previous two missed.
So, guys, it has been a pleasure talking to you and asking you these questions but our time is coming to an end I have a couple of more things to ask before we part ways….
Now you have become what I would call seasoned podcaster I mean hey you have done some amazing interviews so you guys have any Tips and Tricks on how to become a podcaster for people who are thinking about it?
Bill) Know clearly what your show is (and is not) and do the same show you would do for two people as you would do for 2,000. So many podcasts I have listened to do not do this and I think it is why many podcasts fail before their 10th episode.
Dan) I would defer that question to Bill. ))
James) Lastly Do you have any regrets in doing Trek Geeks?
Bill) Aside from the fact, I have to talk to Dan every day now, no. I have not a single regret in the world, nor could I have.
Dan) As I have said many times on the Podcast, I can never thank Bill enough for starting this whole adventure. It has been life changing on so many levels. I could never have imagined meeting so many of these idols that I had grown up watching Star Trek and talking to them about their experiences.
I never dreamed I would have been welcomed into such a vast family as fandom and met so many amazing people that I love dearly. I would never have dreamed of actually sitting in the captain’s chair of The Original Enterprise when visiting the set of Star Trek Continues, which was literally a “Jesus’ moment for me. I have no regrets at all and I do not think I ever will. This has been an experience unlike any other and I will always be eternally grateful to my podcast partner and best friend Bill Smith for making it a reality. I think Bill may regret his comment now, but hey, that’s him.
Bill) Nah…not so much.
James) Well Thank you so many guys doing this with me has meant a lot and is an honour to even get the chance to sit and ask these questions.
I hope you enjoyed reading this as much as I did doing it than reading through and editing it all together these guys are so funny and I feel that I now know them a whole lot better.
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I love Star Trek. It has always been in my life one way or another. Unfortunately, like anything in life you phase out of certain books, movies, or music.
In my case, I lost touch with Star Trek. Then in 2009, J.J. Abrams‘ big-screen reboot of Star Trek rekindled my interest for the franchise. I started to go back to the original movies featuring Kirk, Spock, Bones, and the rest of the beloved crew. Once I went back to the original series, I absolutely fell in love again with these characters. The writing holds up, the themes were and in some cases still are poignant and despite its limited budget and clunky sets, it had its heart in the right place.
Having finished the third season of the original series, I felt a bit lost. I wanted more adventures of this crew. Then it was as if the Talosians themselves had captured me and given me the illusion of what I wanted. While looking up for anything TOS related on YouTube, I stumbled upon this fan created series called Star Trek Continues.
As its title suggests it is indeed a continuation of the original series. An “unofficial season 4” if you will. Helmed by Vic Mignogna, he and his crew successfully ran a crowdfunding campaign for their first episode. So far, they produced seven episodes.
It looks like Star Trek, sounds like Star Trek but does it have the heart? Let’s ahead one-quarter impulse power and take a look at the third episode, “Fairest of them all”.
This third episode is a direct sequel to “Mirror, mirror” and takes place entirely in this parallel universe where The Federation is now the Terran Empire. It leans more towards fascism and the subjugation of other worlds instead of missions of peaceful exploration and aid.
After Kirk (Vic Mignogna) destroys the Halkan Council and its planet, Spock (Tod Haberkorn) now realises that the fall of the Empire is an inevitability. The fact that the Andorians started to openly rebel against the Terran Empire strengthens Spock’s sentiments for change and peace.
Together with Lt. Moreau (Asia De Marcos) and a small group of insurgents, Spock must overthrow the murderous and psychotic Kirk and take control of the I.S.S. Enterprise. A deadly cat and mouse game ensues and Spock must be that one man with vision in the revolution to come.
I have been very impressed with the writing of this show. In some of the other episodes, they actually show the repercussions of what happened in the previous seasons. The losses and many extreme experiences Kirk and crew had to mean something now.
There is no reset button anymore. They masterfully continued the story that started with “Mirror, mirror.” You see the doubt in Spock as Kirk becomes more erratic and psychotic. They also show you that the “evil” counterparts are not as villainous as you may think. They are very many victims of their circumstances and most of them begin to reject the ways of the Terran Empire.
Only the ones set in their old ways are doomed to go down with this fascistic system. It’s not done in an overly blunt way but the message hits home through excellent acting and dialogue. The point this episode tries to make is simple, poignant, but timeless. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
Star Trek continues does a tremendous job of capturing the feel and look of the original series. At times, it can be a little too slavish to the somewhat clunky visual effects of the sixties. This, however, is just a minor gripe. The performances are top notch. Mignogna channels just enough Shatner without it turning into a parody. Haberkorn’s Spock is excellent. He exudes a calm and cool without losing that same twinkle in the eye and charm that Leonard Nimoy had.
So, yes, it looks like Star Trek and it sounds like Star Trek and it definitely has its heart in the right place. It pays homage to that wondrous show of the 60’s but brings that same charm and wonder into the 21st century without tongue in cheek or parody. This is a labour of love and I felt every minute of it. Go watch the show now and you will too.
In case you have missed their previous episodes here they are, sit back and enjoy….
Bill and Dan produce a weekly podcast that covers all different aspects of Star Trek which recently included a run down on Beyond, their trip to STLV50 and recasting the roles of DS9.
One thing I enjoy about Bill and Dan is their sense of humour and their long friendship shows in every episode of their podcast.
It is one thing that makes their production worth the time to check out as they never fail to deliver not only in their Trek geekness but in the guests they have and they have a had a lot of big names such as Nana Visitor (Kira DS9), Andrew Robinson (Garak DS9) and so many more.
I have known Bill now for almost a year (time fly’s when you are taking the p**s out of certain things LOL) but I wanted to know more about their production as I have to admit I am new to it and due to commitments in real life I have not had the chance to check out every episode yet.. “badddd me I know”
After sending Bill a Facebook message asking if, he and Dan would like a chance to tell not only me but also you guys as well more about their podcast he accepted as its one of the many things he and Dan like doing.
To avoid being boring and doing just another general Q&A about Trek Geeks I decided to get a little geekier and personal with my questions (no, not that personal) I wanted to know what makes them love doing a Trek based podcast and also get to know what makes their friendship so great.
James) So where to start… I guess I should start with the most obvious Question tell me and others a bit about yourselves how long have you two been friends and how did you meet one another?
Bill) We have been friends for just over 20 years. We were both hired by the same company to do telephone-based support for their Windows-based stock trading software. Dan had been hired a couple of months before I was as part of an effort to build out the department from scratch and he was one of the first people I trained with. He had Star Trek stuff in his cubicle and it immediately struck up a conversation and friendship.
Dan) We both used to work for the same company over 20 years ago. It was a new department and I was in the first-class for training. I had been ‘on the floor’ for a couple months when Bill came out of training and was assigned to sit with me. I always had Trek memorabilia at my desk and as he was a Trek fan, we really hit it off doing impersonations and trivia all the time in-between calls. My impersonations have been usually better, although he does an amazing Riker walk, and I usually mopped the floor with him regarding trivia.
James) Bill what is the Riker walk lol?
Bill) If you watch the first couple of seasons of TNG, Frakes has this really exaggerated walk for Riker, where her cocks one shoulder higher than the other and he’d walk in this overly dramatic fashion. It’s pretty hilarious if you go back and watch. Lol.
James) That is hilarious, If or when I ever get the chance to come across the pond to a convention you guys are at I HAVE to see that?
James) OK, moving on, you guys love Trek! So tell me what are your favourite Trek Episode & Why?
Bill) DS9: In the Pale Moonlight. Sisko must mortgage everything he believes in and everything a Starfleet Captain stands for in order to bring the Romulans into the Dominion War. Perfectly acted by Avery Brooks and Andy Robinson.
James) The Captains log in, that is what I love not to mention the fact Garak commits murder but not in the sense of just killing someone for the sake of it, but the fact he did it for what I think is a just and very good reason?
Dan) Bill and I usually agree on a lot of things. For me, In the Pale Moonlight is the perfect episode and is one of the three that I consider being my favourite, except, it does not exist! Sisko erased the entire personal log, so how can we even see it? LOL Sisko is willing to sacrifice everything he stands for to achieve his goal.
In some ways, his actions are similar to Admiral Pressman in another favourite of mine, TNG’s “The Pegasus”. Pressman’s views on doing whatever it takes to regain an advantage over the Romulans allows him to throw out all his ethics and scruples in order to achieve his goal. How is Sisko any different? It is a very interesting conversation.
I would also say that “Far Beyond the Stars” and “Corbomite Maneuver” are two other episodes that I always see myself listing as my all time fave and they can switch around depending on my mood and what I am looking forward to watching at any given moment.
James) that episode spoke to me in so many ways not only because it was about retro SciFi which I kind of love (within reason I love the old “War of the Worlds“) but also the fact it was about acceptance which is something I have had experiences with.
However, in this episode to me it seemed Sisko as a “Black” writer was not seen the same way as his “White” co-workers and his ideas we someone dismissed. Well to me it seemed that way, but I guess others may have seen it differently.
James) OK so now tell me what you think is the worst Trek episode and why?
Bill) TNG: “Aquiel“. It is an uninteresting episode with a terrible conclusion. The script is weak, the direction is terrible. FAR worse than Shades of Gray–the one everyone like to beat on.
James) Yep it’s a filler episode which some are ok but some you can skip and not notice they were even there lol.
Dan) TNG: “Code of Honour“. When one of the stars of the show calls this episode a ‘racist piece of shit’, then it’s pretty bad. And I agree. Shades of Grey and Aquiel are Emmy award winners when compared this piece of garbage.
James) Shudders Code of honour…. That is hands-down one of the worst of Season one and that is saying something. The other one from that series that is the worst TNG episode ever to me is the “Naked Now” it is just plain awful.
Still, on the subject of Trek, we know your favourite and worst episodes but what about your favourite series?
Bill) Deep Space 9. Because, like life, not everything is resolved in 48 minutes and you do not always get along with everyone 100% of the time. Compelling characters portrayed by exceptional actors. The best stories and character development in all of Star Trek.
Dan) Deep Space 9. The writing for the show for a couple of episodes in Season 1 and Season 2 and then the entire Dominion Arc starting with “The Jem Hadar” is, to me, the best writing in all of Star Trek. I went through a very dark time back in the early 2000’s and if it were not for my VHS copies of DS9 to watch when I was at my lowest point, I would have committed suicide. DS9 saved my life. Literally!
James) Wow… I am not sure what to say. Star Trek has a different meaning for everyone but I have to say, Dan, I am so glad for you, it had this effect and I think it pays homage to its writers and cast that it had that bigger impact on your life as it did.
Worst Series & Why (Will I know you hate Voyager tut tut)?
Bill) Voyager. The worst writing of all the Star Trek series with the weakest characters.
Dan) Voyager. Don’t get me wrong, there are some very good episodes but Voyagers largest weakness was the writing. It was if the writers had, a great story going and all of a sudden realised there were only four or five minutes left in the episode to wrap things up. Again, do not get me wrong. It is not a knock on the actors. They did great with what they were given, which usually was not very good.
James) We are closing in on the winter months and December, Now a little birdie told me you like to celebrate in style but I have to ask What the H**L is Shatnermas LOL!
Bill) I did…years before there was a Trek Geeks. It was a way to celebrate Shatner’s incredibly diverse career that was fun. I’m fairly certain he DOESN’T know about it. LOL.
James) He may do if he reads this blog lol.
Dan) There has to be some level of IP theft here somewhere!!! 😛
Bill) Not if you’re just reposting things the man himself has already put out there! Lol..
So now we know Bill and Dan a bit better tune in for the next part where I ask about their podcast history, Axanar, If they were worried about the new Guidelines and some more geeky Questions.